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The SEO Loser Needs YOU!

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Hey guys/girls, as I posted below I was lucky enough to make it to the final 3 in the Party Like a Search Engine Rockstar contest. Now there is a public poll going to help decide who will win-it’s a close race and I could REALLY use your help :). So now I’m asking for a favor from my readers - if you could take a minute to vote for me at (SEO Loser) at http://www.shoemoney.com/2007/11/13/pubcon-roll-with-the-rockstars-finalists/ I’d really, really appreciate it. It would be so cool if I could manage to win this contest. Thanks!

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Common Rockstars! Let a Loser Roll With You

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Update: Made it to the final 3!! If you could drop me a vote, I’d really appreciate it!

[I just read on Shoemoney’s blog that there’s a Party Like a Rockstar Contest being sponsored by Unique Blog Designs and Sure Hits - Here’s my entry :) ]

Earlier today I received one of those e-mails most of us in this industry find in their inbox on a daily basis; a domain renewal notice. What was the domain? SEOLoser.com.

Yep, it’s been a year since I chased around the Rockstars and tried to sneak my way in to parties at PubCon. Time flies.

It was just after PubCon 2006 that I made the first semi-serious blog post of my life–in fact, I registered this domain name at about four in the morning after partying at the conference. The blog basically summed up the awkward, embarrassing, and consistently intoxicated rollercoaster ride I enjoyed at last year’s PubCon, Las Vegas, where I first discovered what I was in this undustry: an SEO Loser. Being my first conference ever, I hadn’t even known there were SEO Losers—but judging by the almost 100 comments the first post I made got, there are actually quite a few of us out there :) .

After my debut at PubCon I was hooked—these conferences are really, really fun—even if you’re a loser. You hang out with cool people who do the same stuff as you. The beer flows like wine and the parties are in some of the coolest venues in Vegas. But on top of the fun-component, I really learn a lot at every single show I attend—sometimes without even going to the sessions. I know everyone preaches the benefits of networking to the point you feel like your ears are gonna start bleeding, but I’ve really seen the results of getting to know a few “Rockstars” first hand. I’ll throw out a couple examples.

I can remember a 10 minute drunken wasted conversation I had with Marcus, the notoriously hilarious (and smart) German blackhat outside a bar at SES NYC just a few months ago. I can’t go into details (Matt Cutts is addicted to my blog, I swear), but I mentioned to him a very unusual and tricky, or even risky, problem I was having with one of my sites that had forced me to pretty much shut it down, even though it would have been making over $100 a day on total autopilot. Marcus instantly fired back with a barrage of ummm…, lets call them “unique” ideas for how I could get around my particular issue.

 

 

At first I laughed, because what he was suggesting seemed so deviously blackhat I couldn’t believe he was serious —but as we talked for the next 5-10 minutes I realized his solution could really work. I implemented the advice as soon as I got back to my laptop (it honestly took about half an hour, max, to make the changes) and I smile as I write that even today—a Saturday, which is very slow in my niche and months after my conversation with Marcus—I made money (>$50) from that site that would otherwise have been offline. Thanks, dude!

I also (kind of) got to know Shoemoney—I love his show, have every episode on my iPod, and even before that first PubCon I think I’d listened to them all at least 2-3 times. I made a first impression that is pretty characteristic of my conference-going demeanor.

To quote my original post, “…My friend laughed and told me I was an idiot. Little did I know I would later confirm this beyond any shadow of a doubt by approaching Shoemoney once again, this time in the hotel bathroom … in a somewhat-drunken, post-Google happy hour state.”

About three or four months ago I ran into a problem where an affiliate network was honestly telling me they were going to steal (my word) about $3,000 from me, just because they received a cease and desist letter over a TOTALLY obscure trademark I was accidentally bidding on (I had something like 100,000 keywords in my account). I tried to reason with them on my own, but even my affiliate manager (who’s awesome, by the way, in case you read this :) . BTW could you bump me up a little? J/K–less you gonna do it) seemed helpless. I was ready to do what any pissed off guy with a blog does when someone screws them over—throw a raging mega-huge tantrum exposing the injustice.

Just as I was about to roll up my sleeves and unleash the beast, I thought “Wait, there’s gotta be a better way. Maybe Shoemoney could help me on this one, he’s pretty well connected with all these networks.” I was doubtful that Shoemoney would even receive any e-mail I sent, which would be going out to his public address (he must have forgotten to give me his cell phone number at PubCon ;) ). I could also imagine how busy he must be, that 3k isn’t much to him, and that the whole thing would probably seem like a waste of his time—but I figured I’d give it a shot. Couldn’t hurt. I sent my e-mail, titled “Getting screwed by XXXX, really hoping you could help out.”

The next morning I woke up early to my home-office phone ringing at about 5:10 AM. I’d sent that e-mail at about 2:00 AM. “Damn it, I hate these assholes on the East Coast,” I thought. I covered my ears and managed to survive the 30 seconds of ringing before falling back to sleep. When I woke up a few hours later and got online for my pre-breakfast checkup, my mailbox had about three e-mails from the affiliate network that I was having problems with, my affiliate manager who had been trying to avoid me (probably because she felt bad about screwing me over) had sent me a series of IMs and the caller ID on my phone showed they had tried to call me. I got in touch with my affiliate manager who was ecstatic. “YOU’RE GOING TO BE SO HAPPY! I don’t know WHAT or HOW this happened, but I got a note today on my desk saying I’m supposed to help you set up a new account (they had closed [banned] the old one)! And your payment is to be sent out ASAP!” I was in shock. These guys were telling me, the day before (if I was lucky enough to hunt them down for a conversation), that they were not only stealing the 3k I’d earned MTD, but that they were also banning me from their network. I wondered if it could have had anything to do with the e-mail I sent Shoemoney. I figured it must have been a coincidence–there was no way he could have already received my e-mail and acted on it–but to be safe I sent him a message explaining that the problem was resolved and thanking him if he’d had anything to do with it.

45 minutes later I had a reply:

I forwarded your email to the 2 founders of the company. I really did not do much else but I think that trademark bidding is bullshit… I always fight them on it.

Thanks man, I guess I owe you a drink :)

I’ve gone on a tangent here, but the point is, a lot of the people you meet at these shows are really cool, are willing to take their time to help you out, and really know their sh**. Not only is it a blast attending the show but there are real business benefits.

Alright, I don’t want to bore anyone with too much business-talk.

I may be a loser but I guarantee I can drink any of you Rockstars under the table…. As long as Chris Hooley doesn’t count as a Rockstar.

 

“Yeah, I have work tomorrow at 8:00 AM, I’m gonna keep it mellow tonight guys… Just one or two for me.”

 

 

 

“Okay, I guess a FEW shots would be fun…”

 

“Ooooh, now I can tell I’m in the zone. “

 

 

Oh well, the hallways closer to work than my bed anyway.”

I know you’re busy so I’ll cut this short, but I hope I win this contest ‘cause I’d love to join you once again in Las Vegas. I think it would be pretty amazing if I got a chance to come out there and hang out with you guys, especally considering where I was a year ago:

I saw one of the guys from the Webmaster Radio show (Oilman) “SEO Rockstars.” He really was a rock star at this SEO event. He was having free alcohol thrown at him, girls were fighting to talk to him, and he was dancing up and down in a nice club overlooking Las Vegas. Sitting at our table were Danny Sullivan, Oilman, Dixon Jones, MSN Reps and the Director of Product Management for Yahoo! Search, Tim Mayer. Oilman is another guy I’ve listened to for countless hours on Webmaster Radio and really liked … Like with Shoemoney, I felt like we were friends….

… Here I was, getting denied right and left, by a bunch of 25-50 year old nerdy guys. I had a collection of mixed emotions. I didn’t know if I was going to laugh or cry.

- Original SEO Loser Post,

I actually wasn’t planning on going to PubCon this year—spending about $1,000 to $4,000 at each of the last 4-5 events has taken a toll… I’d love to go if I happen to win this competition, though. It would be pretty cool for the loser to finally get a chance to roll with the Rockstars! :)

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Summary of Night 1 At SES New York

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For me, today is one of those days where you wake up and clearly feel that you had wayyy too much fun the night before. I feel like Frank from the movie Old School when he says “I had a great time last night!” and his buddy answers back “We know you had a great time last night. The whole town knows you had a great time last night.”

I have to admit that I do take comfort in one thing: when you start out as the SEO Loser, you can’t really fall too far. Whenever I find myself doing something stupid or embarrassing I laugh and figure “Okay, I’m living up to my title.”

Around 9:30 or so we decided to leave the Hilton bar and grab some food. On the way out we bumped into some other attendees and started talking with them. I wasn’t paying full attention but my ears perked up when I heard a lady say her name: Rae Hoffman. For those who haven’t read my blog in the past, I ripped on Rae pretty badly in my first post. Afterwards I felt guilty about it because I thought I was too harsh and a couple friends/people I respect had contacted me saying Rae was actually really nice–I must have gotten the wrong impression.

Anyway back to the story—I had to tell Rae I was the SEO Loser. I couldn’t resist. But at the same time I knew she would (rightfully) hate me. Luckily I was pretty deep already and any form of timidity was long gone.

It was the kind of awkward situation I’m prone to, but Rae was really cool about it although she was a little heated at first. I’d say more but we agreed the conversation was “off the record” (the first time in my life anyone has ever asked me to have an off the record conversation :) … I must be moving up). I’ll just end this topic by saying Rae was really nice.

There’s one more incident worth mentioning that happened before we made it to our restaurant. On the way out we met a couple other nice girls attending SES and my friend asked them what company they were from. They pointed at my SES man-purse–specifically to the Findology logo on the side of it. Being a little tipsy and in bad lighting, the yellow O (the first o) didn’t really stand out. So I said in the stupidest way possible, “Find – Low – Gee? You’re company is called find low gee?” It was pretty bad. She called me an idiot and said “What company would name themselves Find Low Gee?! :)

After grabbing a bite to eat, we felt like we’d pretty much missed the boat in terms of the party scene. Word on the street had it that Pepperjam was hosting a killer party and unfortunately we hadn’t heard about it so we were about to give up on SES-parties and just check out some NYC bars. But first, we decided we’d give the Hilton one last shot.

I’m very glad we did. At the Hilton we bumped into Daron Babbin (aka SEGuru)–a very cool guy I’d actually met before at the Ghost Bar during PubCon. We talked to him, had a few drinks and met some other SESers around the bar before migrating to a bar down the street where a big group of conference goers had congregated. On the way out I saw Neil Patel sitting on the bench. I know what you’re going to say—“do you ever learn?”—but the answer is no, I don’t, so I walked up to Neil and started talking to him. He was a really nice guy as I would have expected based on the tone of his blog that I’ve been subscribed to for several months.

There was a lady sitting next to Neil and somehow it came out that her last name was Schoemaker. Mrs. Shoemoney?! I talked with her for a bit, told her how much I loved her husband, you know—the usual. A few minutes later Shoemoney walked into the hotel.

Now one thing that’s interesting about being an SEO Loser is that you’re never sure if people are going to recognize you or not. I’ve only posted one picture of myself on this blog and it was pretty blurry. Still, sometimes I’ll get a glare or weird look and I’m always wondering if they recognized me from the blog. The same was true when Shoemoney walked in—to be honest I didn’t think he’d recognize me. But he did. “Dude the SEO Loser!!!” he yelled and came up and gave me a hug. That was pretty fun.

We let the Shoemoneys go and headed out to the bar where we bumped into Chris Hooley – now famous for his ability to get SEOs wasted :). I had met Chris at PubCon as well so it was cool to see him again and have a few drinks.

In addition to Chris, there was a whole crew of SEO / SES ‘elite’ at the bar. I talked to Todd “Oilman” Friesen, one of the actual SEO Rockstars along with a bunch of others. Andrea, Shoemoney’s sister, was at the bar as well and it was cool to finally meet her— very nice girl.

Chris Hooley drink baited me into a final shot / beer combination that ultimately did me in. :) I could feel myself spinning and when I saw the homeless guy making fun of me I knew it was time to go.

I’m sure there’s a lot I’m leaving out but it’s time to start another night so I have to wrap this up. Hope to see some of you out tonight! As always comment on the blog or send an e-mail if you’re at SES and want to meet up and I’ll try to get in touch. Have fun!

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The SEO Loser finally gets the attention he deserves!

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DOH! It was just a tease. I loaded up Shoemoney’s blog this morning and what did I see? A picture of myself at PubCon (I’m on the right hand side, the guy in the middle is my friend from home, Eder Callejas)! Hmmm…. ‘He must be posting something about my SEO Loser blog!’, I thought. After taking a deep breath I started to read the post and saw that it’s about “Hot Chicks at Search Engine Conferences.”

Okay, the irony is too overwhelming: I create a blog about how I learned I am an SEO Loser… the blog’s main post talks quite a bit about Shoemoney. Several weeks later, Shoemoney posts a picture of me on his homepage. It turns out Shoemoney doesn’t know the picture is me (duh, I’m a loser), and he made the post ‘cause I happen to be standing next to a hot chick. :D

Does this remind anyone else of waving back at someone and then realizing they were actually waving at the person behind you?

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Follow up to my initial post

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It has been really cool and surprisingly fun to see the reaction to my initial post about my experiences as an SEO Loser. Thank you very much to everyone who Dugg, commented on, or even just read the post! I’m happy some of you enjoyed it. This post will basically be a summary of how I promoted the post, who reacted to it, and how. Keep in mind that I am a total blog newbie so maybe some of you will comment with advice on what I could have done better.

1. I set up the blog and tried to make a funny header.

2. I made my post.

3. I tagged it in Delicious and Technorati.

4. I added it to Digg.

5. I added it to my forum signature at the Digital Point forums where I have about 1000 posts.

6. I made a shameless plug on the Webmaster Radio chat telling people about the post.

7. I made the SEOLoser.com site my homepage and commented on a few industry blogs (Shoemoney’s blog and Aaron Wall’s SEOBook blog are the two I remember right now). At the outset I thought Shoemoney might have been censoring my comments because he didn’t like my blog and I got a little upset, however it appears he’s approving them now, so I appreciate that and feel a little stupid for jumping to conclusions so quickly. I’m also glad to see he commented here! Thanks!

The reactions?

1. Matt Cutts commented about the post on his blog! Wow, this was pretty much the ultimate goal for an SEO related blog post. Too bad it was just a comment as opposed to part of a full post—I didn’t get an actual back link but I did get some visitors. Thanks Matt!

2. The post got about 23 Diggs in a week (if you liked the post but didn’t digg it, please do!) which I wouldn’t call stellar but I wouldn’t call it a complete disappointment either. I have received some traffic from Digg but nothing to write home about.

3. I was linked to by Chris Hooley who has received a lot of attention due to his great drinkbait.com blog. Thanks Chris! Chris was very cool at the conference and I actually hung out with him a bit. Hope to see you again.

4. There must have been a thread about the blog in the WebMasterWorld Supporters Forum because I received about 30 visitors from there. I don’t have a supporters account because I have a hard time getting myself to pay $149 for a forum membership when there are so many great, free forums. Maybe a supporter can tell me what the thread was about? Or maybe I’ll just have to pay up and register there. :)

5. I received comments from many of the people I had blogged about. This was really fun and rewarding :)

6. The blog was mentioned on the SEO Rockstars radio show, but not in a very positive way. Apparently the Rockstars were a little offended or interpreted the post as a complaint (I honestly didn’t mean for it to sound that way… it was supposed to be a humorous reflection of my experiences). I was a little upset by this because I would have thought they’d understand I was half-joking and also have appreciated my positive comments toward them. Not to mention the fact that I like those guys :)

7. Surprisingly I’m already getting some search traffic for the names of the people I blogged about.

I recently received a pass to the Affiliate Summit West conference (totally unrelated to this blog) and will write up a little post with my expectations and plans for that event.

What else am I hoping for with the blog? I’m really hoping the original post gets a few more Diggs—I’d love to see the effects of making it to the Digg homepage. It looks like this might be a long shot, though, as it has been a while since I submitted it (over a week).

There were also some people and interactions I wanted to blog about in the original post but didn’t. The reason why was simply that the post got way too long. I’d expected it to be about one page, but it ended up being about four. I’ll make a post later tonight or tomorrow covering the people I had to skip over in the first entry.

The one part of my post I do feel a little guilty about was the part that criticized Rae Hoffman. I don’t know her well enough to judge her character or anything like that and it seems that she is actually quite a nice person. My only exposure to Rae was one panel at PubCon and I guess it just brushed me the wrong way. Sorry Rae, I really didn’t mean to ‘bash you’ or anything like that! I feel extra guilty because according to analytics I’m getting some traffic for the search “Rae Hoffman” (although I don’t see myself in the SERPs) and I don’t want people to think poorly of Rae because of my post.

Thanks again to everyone who commented! It really made this an awesome experience. For those who mentioned that they hoped I would post more, I can say I definitely will. I just want to make sure the things I blog about are worth your time so I’m making them at a “measure pace.”

PS: I’ll approve any comments that aren’t spam or porn or something like that, so even if you want to comment about how much you hate the blog, it will be approved! Don’t hold back.

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Webmaster World PubCon Las Vegas 2006 - How I Learned I am an SEO Loser

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Please note: Throughout this article I use terms like webmaster and SEO interchangeably. If I call someone an SEO, take it with a grain of salt, as they could really be anything from a PPC affiliate to a forum administrator.

I flew out of SJC (San Jose) heading to my first PubCon ever. I was very excited—I’ve been doing SEO for years but never shelled out the money to attend a full event. I eagerly awaited my chance to meet the people I listen to on Webmaster Radio and the authors of blogs I read (like Shoemoney, Oilman, Web Guerilla, Aaron Wall of SEO Book, rand from SEOMoz, etc). I’d listened to them so frequently and read so many blog posts that I felt like I already knew them. In my mind, we were already friends.

After I arrived in Vegas and checked into my hotel room at the Renaissance (which I stayed at just because I thought it was where most of the SEO / webmasters would be) I headed over to the conference and sat down for Guy Kawasaki’s keynote. I thought he was a funny, articulate, and eloquent guy. It seemed the conference was off to a solid start.

A massive registration line kept me from the second session, however the following panel on link building was among the best I attended, largely due to Roger Montti’s impressive willingness to disclose specific, ‘actionable’ methods for building authoritative links (way to go Roger!).

It was at the Link and SEO Dev Site Review Forum panel that I was first exposed to the disposition that would inspire SEO Loser. Many of the attendees at the conference were webmasters—not SEOs—and knew very little about search. This panel gave them an opportunity to have their site reviewed and to receive feedback from some of the best SEOs at the conference.

Instead, the SEOs, particularly Rae Hoffman (I’m proud to say I had to look up your name! hah!) tore into the webmasters that had approached them for help. A quick linkdomain: in Yahoo revealed a number of backlink issues (which one should expect—that’s why these people are asking for help). Instead of ‘constructive criticism,’ the panelists were incredibly aggressive, and often seemed like they were trying to humiliate the naïvely unsuspecting webmasters.

I honestly felt bad. And much of what the SEOs were finding was basic stuff—purchased links, reciprocal campaigns, etc. Newsflash to Rae Hoffman: We are not impressed by your ability to type linkdomain:www.URL.com into Yahoo and identify paid links. And we especially aren’t impressed by your condescending, degrading tone. If you don’t know you’re doing it, consider this post a favor.

Keep in mind, I was not involved in the panel in anyway, nor was I one of the site owners. I was just an innocent bystander watching the onslaught.

Dixon Jones, who I later met and found to be exceedingly nice and unpretentious, was trying his best to be positive but even he slipped at times. I recall walking out of the session thinking “damn, those SEOs were assholes and most of the criticism was SEO 101. Are they acting like that to impress potential clients?” I certainly did not think “Wow, they sure knew their stuff. They really helped those people.” Honestly, the latter is the reaction I wanted.

Then I randomly saw Shoemoney (or Jeremy Schoemaker)!—my personal favorite member of the Webmaster Radio cast in the hallway. I felt like I had to say something, I mean I’ve literally listened to the guy talk for 20+ hours and I love his show. I’ve also been posting on DP (Digital Point) for years where he is very active. From my perspective, I already knew him. So, I tapped him on the shoulder and just said “Hey man, I absolutely love your show. It’s really awesome, I’ve listened to every episode.” At this point I wasn’t even thinking of how often he might get that. He said something like “Thanks man. Stop by such-and-such booth tomorrow and I’ll give you a Shoemoney shirt.” After that, I didn’t really know what else to say. I mean there is so much stuff I work on that he is also involved in that we could probably have spent hours talking together and I know from his show that we’d have gotten along very well. I sort of stood there for a minute and nothing came to mind to say. After about 10 seconds another young guy like myself came up and echoed my sentiments, this time offering to buy him a beer later. Shoemoney was nice, and to this he was actually able to respond. The guy gave him something to talk about, and he said “Definitely man, we’ll be at the Renaissance later tonight.”

I walked away thinking, “Damn, that’s kinda weird. I just said hi”—and that was it. I love this guy’s work, the personality he puts forth on his show, I find his weight-loss story incredibly inspirational, and despite his occasional “big-headedness” (which imo is pretty much warranted) I really admire him as a person. Don’t get me wrong—I admire him, I don’t worship him. I think the things he’s done are cool, and I think I can relate to him in a lot of ways because so much of my “career” is so similar, so I’d have loved to hang out and talk with him more.

After my brief talk with Shoemoney, I rejoined my buddy from home and told him who I’d just met. He’s not really familiar with Shoemoney, but he asked “What’d you guys talk about?” or “What did you say?”

“Ummm, I didn’t say anything. I didn’t know what to say to him—I just said hey I love your stuff—I guess maybe I was star struck?”

My friend laughed and told me I was an idiot. Little did I know I would later confirm this beyond any shadow of a doubt by approaching Shoemoney once again, this time in the hotel bathroom (no, I didn’t follow him in, I was surprised he was in there), in a somewhat-drunken, post-Google happy hour state. Needless to say, this time he looked more scared than anything else ;)

That night, we went out to the Yahoo party. They were very exclusive at the door (although the Yahoo guy at the entrance was awesome) and my friend ended up just heading home instead of waiting to try and get in. I wanted to go upstairs not for the open bar or even the cool scenery, but just because this was the first time in my life I was walking in crowds where I could overhear someone talking about a 301 redirect or how you should diversify your anchor text.

After about 15 minutes the guy at the door got me a bracelet and I headed up (thanks again if you ever read this, love you for that!). This is where I first discovered what I really was: an SEO Loser.

You may have noticed at the top that I subtitled this blog “a loser among losers.” That’s because these guys are, largely, total nerds. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a nerd too, and I love people like that, but let’s be honest. I did not expect these kind of people to be cliquey or exclusive in anyway, and I was anxious to hear their opinions on things, so I was just sort of link a pinball bouncing around talking to pretty much everyone. I met some cool people (Lawrence from Rate it All was hands down the nicest most down-to-earth speaker I met; Jolina and Karen you guys rule too) but I also met a lot of people who didn’t want to talk to anyone they didn’t know. Or speakers who would only talk to other speakers. This, I had not expected. At all.

I am not an exclusive person by nature. I have my faults, but one thought I remember having at an exclusive party in high school was “this is cool, but it would be the most fun if everyone could come.” My idea of a fun party and a good atmosphere is one in which there is no aggression, no condescension, and no exclusion. For those of you who haven’t gone to your first conference yet, let me say something very clearly: The majority of the successful or famous webmasters and SEOs are more exclusive and cliquey than a group of popular highschoolers.

I can remember laughing at the equally exclusive MSN party (just as a humorous side note: when we were about to enter the MSN party, to which we weren’t 100% invited, and the bouncer asked an MSN rep we’d met at the show if he should let us in, she asked them if it would “cost them extra”—come on Microsoft, you can afford to let three guys into your party, particularly when one of them alone spends about 10k a month on AdCenter :) ) when I saw one of the guys from the Webmaster Radio show (Oilman) “SEO Rockstars.” He really was a rock star at this SEO event. He was having free alcohol thrown at him, girls were fighting to talk to him, and he was dancing up and down in a nice club overlooking Las Vegas. Sitting at our table were Danny Sullivan, Oilman, Dixon Jones, MSN Reps and the Director of Product Management for Yahoo! Search, Tim Mayer. Oilman is another guy I’ve listened to for countless hours on Webmaster Radio and really liked (although I think he’s a bit old school). Like with Shoemoney, I felt like we were friends. And again (ignorantly, I guess) I went into things with the thought that he would like me as much as I liked him. I stood up, shook his hand, told him I had learned that saying this kind of thing would result in my embarrassment but I had to tell him I loved the show. He was polite, but certainly not interested in talking to an SEO Loser for more than a few seconds (in retrospect, can I really blame him? The guy had girls attacking him and alcohol flooding the table in front of us). The face of SEO was nothing I could have imagined. But the “SEO Rockstars” moniker suddenly made a lot of sense. For the rest of the party I hung out with Lawrence (as I said earlier, hands down the nicest speaker I met) and a friend of his (who was very cool as well—sorry, unfortunately I was past my name-remembering number of beers at this point).

I believe it was the next day that we were at a Google or Ask sponsored happy hour when I saw another person I admire very much: Shawn Hogan. The reasons might be stupid—I love posting on his forums (Digital Point) and I can relate to him, probably because he is also a young, tech guy with many of the same hobbies (at least according to his site) I have. Again, I had to approach. I couldn’t seem to learn my lesson, and right now as I type I still am not sure if I’m proud or embarrassed of that. I went up to Shawn, who was talking to a couple friends (keep in mind he is much more inconspicuous because he was not a speaker, and dressed wearing a beanie, jeans and a t-shirt as I recall), leaned in and said “Hey, I really don’t mean to interrupt you guys, but are you Shawn Hogan?” “Yeah,” he replied.

Sweet! This guy owns pretty much (imo) the best webmaster related forums on the web and he’s an extremely successful entrepreneur. I don’t look up to people like this for their money, their brains, or anything like that—I look up to them because they show you what you could be doing, and they are an inspiration.

“I’m not going to mess this up like I did with Shoemoney,” I thought. “Man, I love your forums!” Hmmm… I don’t know if that’s the best opener or not. I didn’t plan it out—although in hindsight I probably should have. I don’t know if there’s something wrong with me, but these webmasters were honestly harder for me to talk to than a hot girl at a college party (I’m a recent graduate). When I go up to a hot girl at a cocktail party and say ‘hi,’ there’s a good chance they’ll start talking back. They try to make conversation, at least the vast majority of the time.

After I paid him my compliment, I think he said “Thanks” and sort of looked at the ground and started quietly laughing—perhaps an equivalent to blushing; I’m not sure. Then, hilariously, someone in the group actually chimed in, mimicking me, like you might expect from a freshman in highschool. “Hey man I love your forums!” an artificially retarded, sarcastic sounding voice echoed. Wow, I’m an SEO loser, I thought. Why does this keep happening? I will admit I think I actually might have cracked a smile. The copycat was a little mean but also funny.

Here I was, getting denied right and left, by a bunch of 25-50 year old nerdy guys. I had a collection of mixed emotions. I didn’t know if I was going to laugh or cry. I was still having a fantastic time (maybe the free beer helped with that), and I certainly wasn’t hurt or offended, but I was a little upset just because I think those people would have been so fun to have a real conversation with if they didn’t make it so difficult.

After a few seconds of standing there trying to decide if I had another stupid compliment to throw out there or whether it was time for the walk of shame, a German guy started to talk to me. Wow, I was shocked. Someone in a webmaster clique seemed interested in having a conversation with me—by this time, I had decided my chances would be better with Paris Hilton than an SEO.

After talking to the German for a few minutes (I think your name was Markus, but I’m not 100% so I’ll stick with “the German”) I recognized his voice. “This guy sounds really, really familiar,” I thought.

Suddenly I realized I’d heard this voice on Webmaster Radio—more specifically, I had heard him talk a bit on the Shoemoney show when it was broadcast live from SES San Jose (I believe). “Hey, were you on the Shoemoney show?” I asked.

“Okay, it was nice talking to you” he said, and then started to turn. At this point, it wouldn’t have surprised me if he were serious, but fortunately we was laughing and turned back. We talked for a few minutes about the black hat SEO you could get away with in Germany and how much fun he was having with it before Shawn’s entourage started wandering away and my German quasi-friend followed.

Well, I got out more than a one-liner, I laughed.

In retrospect the whole scene was ridiculous, but when I sit back and think about it, maybe I should have expected it. After all, look at me. I think I’m pretty good at SEO. Extrapolate that to how I would feel if I were speaking on panels in front of hundreds of people paying $500 a piece to attend the sessions, and maybe I’d have a huge ego too.

Still, I believe, and really hope, that someday if I am more than an SEO Loser, I treat people the way I would want them to treat me. I’m going to be the baseball player that signs kids’ autographs for free–not the one that charges $50. Maybe it gets tiresome having so much appreciation and admiration thrown your way at these events. Who knows? One thing is certain though: These were SEO Rockstars.

Final Note: I hope no one takes offense to what I wrote here (but Rae, I think you really need to make an effort to treat people better. I felt so bad for the guy you told to “come up afterwards” like he was an elementary school student going to the principal’s office), if anyone even reads it. I’m not hurt, and this blog is written half in jest. I realize many of you are absolutely swamped with praise and attention, and that might be overwhelming. I was never really insulted or offended by anyone. The worst thing I can say while being entirely honest is that I had a fantastic time that might have been even better had some of the people I think so highly of been a little more receptive to me. I don’t hold it against any of you though—I am an SEO Loser :)

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